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[Timbu]

For just self defence purposes (no competition) what do you think of the combination BJJ and Kickboxing?

[stevebags]

for self defence i dont rate kickboxing or BJJ, for self defence i would go for Krav maga or japanese ju jitsu, but thats my opinion and views vary but BJJ is mainly based on the floor and you dont really want to be there if possible. I train in BJJ so not critisizing it but BJJ is better for comps and Kickboxing is ok if you have a lot of room but close quarters it aint that good either, but interesting to see different opinions

[JimmysEgo]

i like the combo. some good fighters are good at both, like wanderlei silva.

i agree with steve that you dont want to be on the ground especially with multiple opponents, but it's VERY good to know what to do if you are ever on the ground, if nothing else except know how to get back up without getting your face kicked in while trying to stand.

i had two BJJ instructors. one instructor was purely a competition instructor, the other instructor incorporated street self defense into BJJ.

but yeah, like steve suggested, krav maga, that stuff looks way cool, and very deadly, it's sole purpose is street self defense. eye gouges, groin strikes, shin scraps, whatever it takes to defend yourself in a life or death situation.

[GrappleorWrestle]

I am still wanting to find a Krav Maga class that I can watch and/or participate in. I heard it is unreal.

[malaclypse]

I am still wanting to find a Krav Maga class that I can watch and/or participate in. I heard it is unreal.

The techniques you learn in Krav Maga are indeed very good for defense.

But I have some problems with Krav Maga:

1. sparring. Because of the nature of KM sparring will never reach the level of sparring in Muay Thai: You can't train to poke at a guys eyes with full force. Most people complain when they hurt. Too many incompetent fuckers participating because they want to learn to defend themselves as well.

2. KM contains some submission skills ( to submit your opponent ofcourse) but grappling skills are very basic and again if you have to train submission skills with incompetent fuckers, you'll get hurt.

BUT, I still do KM when I have a chance to ( mainly I train MT, I quit on Shooto because last time my shoulder got hurt way too much) because despite all the flaws it has, MT or BJJ never train you for a streetfight. Nothing prepares you for a guy biting your nose or poking at your eyes and most likely, no matter how good you are at MT, you will never think as vicious as a KM trainee ( groin, eyes, neck, knees). So even if you are the better fighter, in a ring noone will try to break your knees, try to stab you with a knife, jump on you with 4 nor will the ringsport learn you to how effectively kick someone in the nuts. The street has little or no rules. KM tends to train your mindset for the street a bit better.

anyway on the forum I've written a larger reply concerning defensive arts.... military-fighting-systems-question-vt486.html

cheers

[GrappleorWrestle]

malaclypse here is a link to the Modern Army Combatives Level I training.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1462151077277855734&q=army++modern You may like to watch it.

And here is the site also. http://www.moderncombatives.org/pages/1/index.htm

[stevebags]

Some forms of Japanese Ju Jitsu are very effective for self defence but not all, same as a lot of tma's got to have a look around and see what suits you but dont write off tma's for practical self defence.

[malaclypse]

Do not underestimate BJJ... if you are a fast shooter with some striking skills , you will win most of the streetfights (man 2 man, unarmed)

[GrappleorWrestle]

Like someone mentioned in another thread, Muay Thai. I would like to find an authentic Thai Boxing Gym around my area. I may have to look...

[malaclypse]

Like someone mentioned in another thread, Muay Thai. I would like to find an authentic Thai Boxing Gym around my area. I may have to look...

against normal streetfighters (even multiple) , Muay Thai gets the job done. I remember one of my old friends ( 155 pounds kickboxer) smashing his way through 7 to 8 known streetfighters ( +160 to 190 pounds) ... ofcourse there was this swing of which he used the seat to smash in his opponents. Kicked and knoced a lot of them over using his fists and legs as well... People stopped the fight... they thought is was not fair

[GrappleorWrestle]

against normal streetfighters (even multiple) , Muay Thai gets the job done. I remember one of my old friends ( 155 pounds kickboxer) smashing his way through 7 to 8 known streetfighters ( +160 to 190 pounds) ... ofcourse there was this swing of which he used the seat to smash in his opponents. Kicked and knoced a lot of them over using his fists and legs as well... People stopped the fight... they thought is was not fair

Now that is what I like to hear! Both for your friend smashing and for them saying it was not fair!

[stevebags]

Do not underestimate BJJ... if you are a fast shooter with some striking skills , you will win most of the streetfights (man 2 man, unarmed)

its the last option to take a street fight on the floor, to many things can go wrong and it may start off 1 on 1 but not many fights finish 1 on 1. Not worth taking the risk of one of his mates stamping on your head imo.

[GrappleorWrestle]

its the last option to take a street fight on the floor, to many things can go wrong and it may start off 1 on 1 but not many fights finish 1 on 1. Not worth taking the risk of one of his mates stamping on your head imo.

Good point. I have seen a few street fights and that is how they went. Soon as the two that were exchanging words started exchanging fists and they hit the ground, a friend of one jumps in.

[JimmysEgo]

i've seen many street fights go to the ground, but i just always figured it was because they both grabbed a hold of each other and they were both too drunk to keep standing. none of my street fights have ever went to the ground, well not both of us anyway.

but yeah, i would never want to be caught on the ground with a bunch of people standing around me (either just watching for entertainment or waiting for a chance to jump in, you never know).

also, if you ever have to run then you just have to run, and running is very hard to do while you're on the ground.

[GrappleorWrestle]

I can honestly say that I have never been in an actual fight. Sure I have had confrontations, but it seems that I have been blessed with a silver tongue and can talk myself out of them most times. I know people say you can never know how you will act until you actually have to or have been in a fight. But I am glad that I have never had that experience and I count it as a blessing that I have not.