Yeah of course they do, nobody will disagree with you i doubt when we are talking about mma anyway.

nahh i think they will
haha people LOVE to disagree with me
hahaha

could you please stop saying things everyone else knew 5 years ago (atleast). It's starting to annoy me.

I should stop bc its annoying you ?
so bc u think its annoying i should stop? well obviously some people doesn't know that most of the fights goes to the ground because if they knew they wouldnt ask me why would u go to the ground in a real fight ?

LMAO, really...pulling out stats now are you. Well the bunch of fights I have been in maybe one went to the ground and that was because we tripped on each other. I can tell you two things with lots more experience than I care to admit, once a fight goes to the floor, it is pretty much over for the schmuck on the floor.

The stats were made up by a BJJ guy. The Los Angeles police Department release stats that said 15% of fights end up with grappling and that was not all on the ground. New york police department states that 20% end up grappling and the Toronto police Department stated that only 5% of fights that end up on the ground last more than 30 seconds before one or more of the fighters get back up.

Stats mean shit when you can not back them up!

Okay, first off you are pissing off the owner of the site, which means you are eather A) a tool that is to stupid to realize you are doing this or B) looking to get banned because you think it is funny, If it is A. I feel bad for you and wish you well after you leave...if it is B. Dont waste anymore of our time....just leave!

Now as for the second part, you were not clear if you were talking about MMA or real fights. real fights only go to the ground when the fight is pretty much over, in MMA it is a different activity all together. any BJJ guy or wrestler worth a squirt of piss would know not to go to the ground in a bar or outside when they could get hurt against multiple guys or simply by harming themselves with objects in the environment...like broken beer bottles.

In MMA, tones of fights go to the ground. we kind of all knew that however...Like Gurre said....Try and keep up kid!

well u dont agree wit me ?
i fought i few times before i was a bjj fighter and my fights did end up on the ground and obviously you are going to disagree with me with everything i say and its cool and okay lets talk in turns of mma
doesnt a fight goes to the ground at least once in a mma fight?

So, you cant stay standing....so what? Just kidding, but just because your few fights ended up with a agressive guy on top of you trying to make you his ...er never mind, I dont want to know....

Anyways, yes! MMA fights normally go to the ground. That is because they are trained athletes and fight with rules. They fight in a clean and reletively safe area and both fighters know how to fight on the ground...hopefully.

I think this is the old apples and oranges conversation all over again.

master doug, just a question - Have you been in a street fight? I don't mean in school with someone you know, i mean with someone you've never seen and for all you know they could be planning slipping something inside the back door once your out cold.

No I haven't and I don't street fight, I'm not the type of person that fights but I do MMA and I know what you mean
well street fight is street fight man

Young sir, untill you are in a situation were your ass is on the line...for real, perhaps exponding on the vertues of BJJ in a street fight is best left to those of us that have a history of violence.

Until you have been stabbed four times by a little son of a bitch, then had to fight your way out of that situation, or shot and have to still hold a guy down till police get their, been in a few tight spots with blood pouring out of you face and had a bottle stuck in your face after being shattered....had to take on three guys bigger than you or a guy trying to run you over.....

Yah, BJJ would not and did not help the guys...or me, that were in these spots. Hell even the kick boxing and Karate I have done turned to dust ni a heart beat and it was pure instinct. If you are dilusional enough to think that your few years of BJJ would help...I have nice little bridge in New York that I happen to be selling off.

BJJ is a great sport and TMA that translates well into MMA and is highly effective, but not so great in SD.

I have a black belt in judo as well as years of Sambo and the first time I was stabbed I tried to throw a guy to the floor were I thought I could hold him down...Yah, lets say that earned me another hole! I quickly changed my tactics to stick and move and aim for the knee to take out the wheels. That at least paid off in the end.

I 2nd to what wise mr. Kensei said

yes the best fihters are wrestlers be cuz they are used to cutting weight and pushing there boys past the limits as they have been since they were young and m,ost can learn new things fast and most will dedicate them selves to there goal

First off you do not want to end up on the ground in a street fight/brawl or life threatening situation. That's just plain stupid. Why? If there is more than one attacker they are just going to kick you, stomp you, or whatever else tickles their fancy.

If you are getting jumped by more than one person I am pretty sure honor is the furthers thing from their mind, and it should be from yours. Honor has no place when your life or the life of the ones you love are in danger. You do whatever is necessary to survive. The ones jumping you are thinking do whatever necessary to take you down and do to get what they want.

If you want some stats I can give you stats.

Did you know that if a mugger/thief has not killed you with in the first 5-8 seconds you more than likely will not die. About an 85-95% chance of not.

Did you know that 95% of trained police officers cannot hit a moving target.

Did you know that if someone with a knife is within 25 feet of someone with a gun (trained or not) they will more than like be stabbed or sliced anywhere from 2-7 times.

Did you know someone that has had their throat sliced, shot in the chest, or any other vital area but the head has anywhere from 8-20 seconds of life left. That means they are still a danger.

I have been to many seminars held by police officers or former special forces and all that and heard many many of this.

Wrestling does help. Wrestling will keep you from going to ground if you do not need to or help you go to the ground when you do.