by Ste Bell » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:20 pm
Take a look at what you just said, rewind to my posts above and you'll realise you're basically saying what I said - we see differently on the matter. If you had of only taken your 'own' advice when I said it, we'd never have had this discussion elevate to a negative level.
Ok, I came across like I was dictating facts in my first post; but I'm pretty sure it was easy to decyther it was my opinion... I provided the other side of the debate, which I of course agree with - if you give me a study, or any form of scientific fact that rolling your shins is the best way to go and there are no side effects, then I will quite gladly hold my hand up and admit that I am wrong, but for as far as I see it... there is no real answer.
You've turned this into something that it quite clearly isn't - no one is telling anyone to do anything - I'm not being forced into rolling my shins (like you suggested I thought), nor am I trying to convince you to stop rolling them... people have free will and different preferences... rolling your shins is fine by you, you don't think there are any problems with it, I on the other hand don't like the idea of killing the nerves in my legs... the discussion is quite simply that - I never brought any negativity into the thread, it was in fact you who did it.
And for the record, I didn't mean that nerves recover from hitting the heavy bag and not rolling - I meant in general, if you desensitize your nerves (by either method) they do eventually gain some feeling back, however they gain less feeling back after rolling... I'll try and get hold of the study for you, but I can't promise you anything.
I don't think your attitude is bad because you question what I say; I prefer it when someone offers the other side of a debate - I think your attitude is bad based on the way you carry yourself on these boards "you don't agree with me so you're full of bull" seriously, how old are you? 11? Grow up. I might not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I am wrong.
Also, not being is pain doesn't necessarily reduce recovery time... damage is damage, feeling the pain of an injury is irrelevant - a chipped shin, for example, doesn't simply shake off just because you don't feel the pain... so instead of presenting 'facts' from your point of view, why don't you consider all areas of what you're saying... I mean, you wouldn't want me to think you're 'full of bull', would you?
The disadvantages are also quite clear... you have longer lasting nerve damage for the rest of your life; not your career, your entire life... nerves are the bodies form of communication... in the case of the skin, the nerves are free ended in a deep layer of the skin called the dermis; they pick up any pain or other senses from the environment and send these to the brain (via other nerves), which in turn reacts to the stimuli in an appropriate manner. if your nerves are damaged, you may A) not pick up an aversive stimuli such as fire, which as you can imagine can only be bad... imagine being in bed and your house catchign fire, but you don't realise until after it passes your shins... you're already basically dead - a 'weird' example, I'll give you, but none the less, possible, heh. Or B) your nerves pick up a stimuli a little too late... again, heat or even intense coldness... if you don't react accordingly it can have negative side effects. It seems that you're just looking at it from a career stand still, I agree that having no nerves in your shin would benefit you in regards to fighting... but for general life, it's terrible.
I don't know everything there is to know about Muay Thai, nor do I think I ever will... I'm 18 and been into martial arts for only 2 years - so I'd be the first to admit that I don't know everything, nor am I even close to know everything about martial arts. But I haven't ever said I did, nor have I put myself across as doing so on these boards - at the end of the day, this is a message board, why would I try to make myself look great online to people I've never met, and more than likely never will meet.
Again, before you jump on here and make assumptions about what I think; and make up things that I am apparently doing (Playing Mommy... again, are you 11?) take a look at the entire thread. I haven't told you not to do it, I'm not saying that it's the worst thing in the world you could possibly do... merely offering another standstill on the subject.
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