glad i read this thread. i was going to do that pin stuff and hammer at my shins/forearms..etc.. but yeh, ur body needs to kno when uve had enough..so i guess ill try somehow to get a heavy bag and use that...i want one so bad LOLLLLLL

This is random since we are talking about nerve damage, but I have always been taught to avoid rolling my shins because of the possible bone damage it could do. Any time too solid object come into contact the harder one does damage to the softer one. I admit when rolling the damage is minimal, but over time it builds up. and the point of shin conditioning isn't to avoid pain (i mean you're in a fight pain is expected) it's to provide enough stimulas to the lower leg bones to make them thinken (which sounds weird, but the leg bones are some of the few bones in the body that will thicken in response to stress)

actually, almost all the bones in the body can thicken if the stimulus is correct.

I did not know that. I knew the femur and the shin could. What other bones will thicken, and is the method similar to conditioning the lower leg

the body is build like a very complex machine that over time will adapt to the stress you experience. If you don't use your legs, you muscles and bones will almost dissapear. Almost all bone can thicken, like the bones in your lower arm, knoucles etc etc. Although this can produce problems in the hands.

I would certianly be interested in conditioning my forearms and elbow (i'm a clinch fighter) what would you suggest in addition to heavy and thai bag work?

i wouldnt do anything else, i think that is sufficient

yeah I agree with Steve, that's enough right there.

I agree with Ste. Kicking pads is essential. From soft to hard. The shin is unique as it has a muscle that extends down it. When you raise the foot the muscle automatically contracts/tenses and you can condition that muscle by hitting the bags with the raised foot. Though rolling a minimal tumbler weight down your leg is also good. Remember in a real fight situation you use your shoes when you kick.

Hi guys new to the forum, first post, do NOT want hijack thread.

I have done TKD for awile. But in return I have trashed my knees as the topic states. [ Advil is my freind]. Any idea on getting my knees up to speed? I want to start Muay Thai and most kicks tend to cause some pain and I hope not any more damage. Also they have created a real week spot when I am nailed there. TIA

Ramm

When you get your muay thai technique down it shouldnt really put much pressure on your knee, I know people that have somewhat injured knees but can still throw kicks on the bag without it hurting.

My main reason for this post is; has anyone ever tried kicking a tree?

kick the heavy bag and thai pads. as simple as that

Yes, kick those pads and heavy bags! It took me like 3 months to begin loosing sensitivity, and 6-9 to not feel meaningful pain.

If think I used to punch my chins lightly after class. Some people use sticks. My instructor kicks a "rope-tied-around-a-stick" thing! But he doesnt kick it with full power - he only kicks it at like 10-20% of his power - like a tap.

Its also possible that your chin just keeps hurting but you just get used to it!
I dont know.

Right, well, I looked on the Muay Thai of America or whatever it's called website, and it claimed that using a rolling pin could cause nerve damage that could lead to cancer. This was the only danger it mentioned. However, science says otherwise:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... es/general

Basically, it says there that bruising and injury does not cause cancer, and nowhere was nerve damage listed as a potential cause. Since the so-called "nerve damage" would be killing one microscopic nerve ending at a time, it would be impractical to think that nerve "damage" is possible. I'm going to guess and say that the term "nerve damage": is meant to refer to spinal nerves.

Arthritis is only caused in the joints and the shin bone is the second largest in the body. It would take quite an idiot to miss it and damage joints while training.

So it is not dangerous to use a rolling pin to kill nerves on your shin.

I dont know if anyone else in here saw the show on TV (Discovery I think) Fight Science was the title. I think its on you tube some where. Anyway one of the big points was the bone density changing with the continual "bashing" of the large bones in the body. As you hit your shins on the heavy bag or a tree over and over, over the course of a few years your bones density actually increases. As it was posted above, your body is a complex machine that will compenstate for our stupidity . In our training we practice 3 star blocking with a partner for about 30 minutes every other day, we kick the heavy bag with our shins and use PVC pipe wrapped in duck tape to bang our shins.