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Kensei
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:31 pm |
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fightDR wrote: Well i am a firm believer that a deal is a deal...so with that in mind. May i be first to thank machida, not only for putting on a great fight and beating tito but for also getting that ass clown bauwow off here. For that reason i vote machida into the hall of fame.
Friggin rights...LMAO!
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Jewish-Spy
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:31 pm |
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Who was giving Machida a credit? I still think he was little too overcautious. With his skills he could have finished Ortiz in a more spectacular fashion and get Jenna. On the other hand I don't think he would go for it as the man has too much class. Ortiz is a different story thus he never had my respect.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:14 am |
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mma fubar
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:03 am |
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yeah i think that he just didnt want to make a flashy finish just because he was afraid tito would do something crazy, like the triangle at the end. Imagine if he tapped machida out with that, that would have been one of the most ridiculous victories hes ever had
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:39 am |
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I think Machida wouldn't have tapped. He knew all he had to do was get to the end of the round and he had it in the bag. He would have let his arm snap.
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fightDR
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:45 am |
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Well i have to give tito credit for a very respectable triangle/armbar attempt.
It showed alot for Machida to get out of that, it wasn't just BJJ knoledge but pure heart and determination. He had won every minute of the fight to that point and was not gonna lose it at that point.
Machida is fantastic to watch, i do not understand how people can say otherwise. The guy is a genius, prob the smartest fighter i have ever seen. he is going all the way.
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qwerty
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:35 am |
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I've been talking about him for a long time now, i'm just glad mma fans are starting to agknowledge his accomplishment and ability.
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fightDR
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:28 pm |
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The only problem that he has is that he is so technical that i am worried that some UFC fans (not the mma fans) wont appreciate his skill set too much in which case the UFC wont market him properly...IMO the kind of thing they did with Fitch in ww. He will have to win more fights to get his just deserves.
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Asa87
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:10 pm |
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anyone like the couple of switch kicks he threw?
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FEDORisGOD
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:13 pm |
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Its a shame but the casual MMA fan thinks Machida is boring. IMO hes absolutely phenomenal to watch. Machida puts the ART in MARTIAL ARTS. The fight went as I predicted. If you read my earlier predictions, you'll see I said Machida will stuff Tito shots, Machida willl keep Tito guessing with fakes and feints, Machida will frustrate Tito and pick him appart. Other than Tito's desparation triangle attempt, I think its fair to say that he was dominated. You could see the frustration in his face and it was obvious he had no answer for the dragon. Machida's movements, instincts, reflexes and reaction time is second to none in the LHW division IMO. The guy's balance, control of distance and timing is near flawless. Im disappointed that Lyoto is so misunderstood.
Funny how all the greats are misunderstood.
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Jewish-Spy
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:27 pm |
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Yes he executed almost perfectly but he looked much more affressive against Sokodjou which to me is a much more dangerous fighter than Ortiz.
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fightDR
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:08 pm |
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I don't agree that sokodju is more dangerous than Tito, Machida had different game plans for both fightetrs and he was moreellussive with tito cos i think he had to be.
Tito is a real handful, his take downs and GnP is not to be disrespected or overlooked, machida did everything to avoid that...his game plan was flawless. With soka he was able to control him on the ground with relative ease and use good strikes.
When you see how Machida beat tito and soku you have to say on their showings tito did better and looked better too...actually tito Vs Soku would be a hell of a fight.
Gotta say FiG was spot on with his prediction of the fight, we both agree 100% on machida being underated. well done FiG!!!
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:31 am |
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fightDR wrote: I don't agree that sokodju is more dangerous than Tito, Machida had different game plans for both fightetrs and he was moreellussive with tito cos i think he had to be.
I disagree. Soko was able to take Machida down at east. Tito had trouble closing the distance. Soko's reflexes and instincts are MUCH better than Tito's IMO. Not only that but his hands can actually KO top LHW's Arona, Diet Nog and Nakamura. Soko is much more dangerous than Tito
Tito is a real handful, his take downs and GnP is not to be disrespected or overlooked, machida did everything to avoid that...his game plan was flawless. With soka he was able to control him on the ground with relative ease and use good strikes.
Soko's TD's> Tito's. How many times did Tito take Machida down? 0 .. How many times did Tito get stuffed by Machida? Too many to count. Soko took Machida down first try early in the fight. Why u ask? Because unlike Tito, Soko has the hands to set up his Judo TD's. Tito had nothing to set up a TD.
When you see how Machida beat tito and soku you have to say on their showings tito did better and looked better too...actually tito Vs Soku would be a hell of a fight.
Id say Tito's sub defense is better than Soko's but thats about it. Soko's much more intense than Tito. Tito is naturally a better wrestler but IMO Soko's Judo, strength and intensity> Tito's primitive shots with out any strikes to set them up. Soko is MUCH faster, Tito had trouble closing the distance on Machida.
Gotta say FiG was spot on with his prediction of the fight, we both agree 100% on machida being underated. well done FiG!!!
Like I said, if I was a LHW right now, Id MUCH rather fight Tito than Soko.
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fightDR
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:46 am |
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I think the hands of soko are better than tito's but thats never been his strength. (don't tget me wrong I am far from a tito fan and I also think soko could do well with the UFC) However machida looked better against Soko than he did against Tito.
There is no shame losing to Machida the guy is pure class but soko looked slow and didn't show anything that he done done in his few fights previous.
Tito didn't do much mind. He wasn't able to show any of what he has because machida wouldn't allow him too. Although Tito even though beaten up did do well to get that triangle/armbar attempt. Nobody saw that coming and Machida has great BJJ, not to mention his ability to control a fighter from top position.
Soko looked completly out of his depth on the ground, yes he defended a few subs but ultimatly he did tap out.
How good would a fight between Tito and Soko be? (please don't think I am a tito groupie or anything my posts will tell a different story)
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Kensei
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:23 am |
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Lyoto has said that he was a bit more scared of Tito getting a take down then Soku. Simply put, he saw Tito as having better GNP than Soku. He was also more nervous fighting Soku standing up because he had such strong stand up punching. He did not LET Soku take him down as much as he was more worried about a punch.
For Tito he played the Game plan out perfect, stuff the take down and pepper him with shots. He was not going to win a Wrestling match with Tito, and he had to avoid getting punched out on the ground...so he kept it standing.
With Soku their was a very real chance that Soku would nail him and get a flash KO, but he was not scared of him once they were on the ground so he went down when he was shot on. And worked his Jitsu.
Both fights went exactly as he wanted according to interviews.
James
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