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Postby Kensei » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:48 pm

This is more to do with Brock Lesnar and the call to arms against the Health care Reforms of Mr. Obama!

Watching the movie "sicko" by M.Moore, who I do not particularly like at all...made me think. I dont know what the reforms are that the US are looking at, this I admit...but dear GOD people this current situation needs to be changed! As a Red and white wearing, happy to love maple leaves and maple tree hugging, beaver kissing (keep it clean guys) Canadian I feel so bad for Americans and their "health care". Once I learned who made this farce up and the lies and crap you all have to put up with...I am expecting the streets of the states to be filled with people in the next while demanding chane!

Granted his movie is very sensational! But I found it IRONIC to say the least that 4 members of the 9/11 ground crew ended up getting medical help in CUBA...Yes, Cuba..the evil empire...So, if the heros of 9/11 can not get help in the US but can in a country that is the Enemy...what does that say about Brock Lesnars saying that the US medical system the best?

Oh, and more came out up here about his "visit" to the medical facility in Canada...he got better care in the small Hospital in Brandon than he had for months before in the states! Yup, Sicko!!!!
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby DisciplineHopes » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:10 am

well being a proud red, white, and blue American myself i dont agree with how they are tryign to sert up the new health care siutation myself. somehow, someway, it will NOT be free for everyone. i would be getting the SAME EXACT coverage as someone "less capable" of getting personal health care plans. and i would have to contirbute to it, they wouldnt. how is that ANY more fair? it isnt. i agree, everyone should have some sort of coverage, but in an ideal world no one would be out on the streets or suffering period. life isnt fair, never will be. ALOT of the times these people that cant afford healthcare spend needlessly on other things with their welfare checks and such. this is just MY $0.02 worth, and won;t change a thing, but there is way too much under the surface of obamas "help everyone" idea.
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby DisciplineHopes » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:11 am

oh, and i cant stand mr moore myself. in no shape, form, or fashion.
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Postby Kensei » Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:34 pm

DH, have you seen the movie? The fact is that the amount you are paying for your heath care is MORE than we do in Canada with our Tax system, much more then England and France...and more than Cuba. The other thing is that IF You get sick..you more than likely will be joining those that you seem to say spend their welfare checks poorly. The fact is that IF you are not sick you guys have a great health care system, but go and find out how good it is if you get cancer, get hurt or sick at all.

I found it increasingly funny that the Firemen from 9/11 went to CUBA to get help...these are not the welfare state people you were talking about, these are heros ext.

My point is this, I love it when Canadians are being dissed by Americans as being to Socialist ext...I can however hardly hear you...over my free health care system that has saved me more than once and did not make me sell my house!

And the biggest thing that I took from this movie and the latest add in the Globe and maile is that Brocks politics are very silly!!
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Postby DisciplineHopes » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:19 am

well i guess i dont have nuch defense for your thoguhts on our healthcare but i refuse. see iove had insurance from a NON RICH family my whole life. they cared enoguh about me and my brother to keep insurance, even if it meant not driving the best cars and what not. this is where i got my feelings from. once i moved out i no longer had insurance from my family but I PERSONALLY went out and got a job and had insurance. I paid for it. I got went and got the treatment I needed. free would be fine, but with free healthcare i dont an upside for EVERYONE, just those that dont have it now. i will be honest and say i have aot of thoughts on politics that brock probably does, but not too his extreme maybe and on different issues maybe.
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby Kensei » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:21 pm

I know I come off as Anit-american at times, but Really I am not. I am, Like most Canadians, very comfortable and respectful of my American Cousins. I actually like a few of your laws and lots of your traits. First off your Death Penalty for killers is probably the best idea and execution (pardon the pun) I have ever seen! I loath housing killers and the dregs of society for extended periods of time, feeding them better than we eat and giving them better educations and health care (their it is again).

I dont agree with your gun laws! WHY Do you need a M-16 to kill ducks?? Are you that shitty a shot? and I dont disagree with hand guns in the home, but a law should state that you MUST lock them up and take classes on how to take care of them, way to often some Redneck with a shot gun ends up being the guy that you look too as the "typical" gun guy...or a Automatic riffle for Duck hunting...back to the guns thing.

As for health care, I have seen how the Health care can cost less than the HMO situation is "working for you". The British have a better health care system, the Canadians have a better Health care system, the Cubins have a better health care system and they dont stop people from being rich...well except the Cubans...and the French have a way better Health care system and set up....But granted...they are French..and have to put up with being French!

Keep this in mind, I like Americans, I dont like the system that the Rich guys set up to screw the middle level and poor people. The ironic part is Nixon "I am not a crook" set up this crooked system. You might have insurance but try and get the company to pay the big bucks. Anyways. I saw the movie, it made me feel bad for you all and got me pissed off at your insurance companies...and I work for an insurance company in Canada...our policy is pay for the extras that the government does not pay for....not reject till they stop trying.

For those that are mad at me and dissing me...I cant hear you over my free health care! :wink:
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Postby DisciplineHopes » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:36 am

no dissing here. i may not agree with all of it, but thats what makes us who we are. i LOVE america nad wouldnt trade it for ANY other country. again though. it doesnt mean that as a whole it is perfect, because it isn't and is far from that. LOVE the death penalty, LOVE hunting and guns (by the way, i dont know why anyone would need that type of gun for duck huinting either lol, a good ole 12 guage works good for me). i own guns, and know exactly how to use them. i think they are a crucial part of safety as well as harm. you can buy a handgun if you want when you are 21, but you go through a background check (same applies to all guns, except rifles and shotguns you can purchase at 18 i believe). cannot carry a concealed weapon without going through a course and recieving a certificate/card and they do take carrying a concealed with no license pretty serious.
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Postby Kensei » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:41 am

Again, not dissing my friends to the south...it is not how YOU handle the guns that I have issues with....its how you store them and protect them from getting into the hands of children and criminals. I have always said I have never personally spoken to a American that was "Dangerous" with their own guns. Its the fact that 90% of weapons used in crimes are stolen from those that use them correctly that scares the living Maple leaf off me! the stats that I last saw were that only 10% of weapons used in killings, robberies ext were purchased illegally, the other 90% were from home break ins or kids selling their dads gun to a kid at school. It is not how safe you are when you use them...its how safe you are when you store them. I have always said that owning a gun is a right in the states that I will never say is poor judgement on the part of the states, its the poor judgement in how you store them and show them off that scares the crap out of me.
I visited a friend of mine in Pheonix about five years back and he has this big old gun case made of wood and glass, The rifles and hand guns are hanging in open view and the bullets are in the gun case under the guns in wood drawrs. I mentioned to him that I could break the glass with a coffee cup and make off with his collection in 5-20 minutes, buy bullets at friggin wall mart and make a "killing" robbing or selling the guns to 15 year olds that want to do the steeling...his answer, yah but if I'm home I would shoot you.....My answer...Yah, but I am not dumb enough to break in while you are home!

My point is, Own the guns...no issues, but LOCK THEM THE FUCK UP! GEEEZ, I would much rather have kids safe on the streets by having randome HARD LINE check ups on gun owners to make sure they have their guns locked up properly, make it next to impossible to sell bullets for said guns at stupid ass places like walmart and keep the streets safe than have a free for all were the kids and innocent shop owners end up dead at the end of the day...other than that, enjoy hunting and god knows I LOVE shooting guns, but I dont own any, I rent them at the gun club in Edmonton when I am out that way.
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Postby DisciplineHopes » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:22 pm

i agree they should be handled better. i wil lalso say that i lock ALL of mine up except one. it ists right by mt bedside, not in the wide open, but where i can access it if need be. it isnt locked up for that simple reason only but i live with no one but myself and my girlfriend. no kids and wont be having any (knock on wood lol) for awhile. but i honestly do get your drift here and agree with you.
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby Kensei » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:18 pm

Got a story for Y'all....Last friday my daughter had to be rushed into the ER at the childrens hospital. So, Ambulance, Doctors, Nurses, Blood tests, Time in the ER and the observation room, Got a popsicle and watched a video...no shit! So I went to work as I work for a Canadian Insurance agency...asked travel what it would cost if I was in the states....she happened to have a case out of the US (Pheonix) and she said it was pretty much the same....

Ambulance, 1600-2000 bucks!USA
Doctors, 1200-1500 US
Nurses, 700-900 US
Blood tests, 800-3000 US
Time in the ER 700-900 US
and the observation room, 400-500 US
Got a popsicle...Not listed...I think that would be free right?
watched a video 25 USA for rental in hospital.
I did not ask about the DIaper and the rest that would be covered...the total US cost for the visit to the hospital Possibly $5400 US BUCKS...Canada $0.00...well I had to pay for parking. $2.50. And we were seen right away, had some of the best medical available in north america!

You do the math!
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby DisciplineHopes » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:28 am

yea but i have family (aunt and uncle) that is in debt with medical bills and have been for NUMEROUS years because they jusy both have alot of issues. they will NEVER pay off their medical debt, NEVER. It's too much. But, all they require them to do is send in a payment of ANY amount pretty much per month and thats it. no fussing, complaing, crying from the hospitals and offices as long as they send 10, 15, 20 dollars per month. I maen THOUSANDS of dollars in debt from medical bills. That being said, with a uniform plan, where does all this money go that would have initially been chareged to he one reciveing helthcare? in a situation like that WHO pays for it? in the long run.....me. at least imho.
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby Kensei » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:56 pm

everyone pays and everyone uses it in some way..or can! THe other thing you need to realize it that you are basically saying you dont want a health care set up where people like your family are taken care of...fuck em? Seriously, it is a reality now, the american medical system does not have to be like Canada, but it can be more friendly, besides the majority of people who use the system pay the taxes that support it...like my daughter and me! Think about it, any one that is...next time your family (daughter, wife ext) gets sick or hurt..I want you to look at them and think about it. For me it is peice of mind!
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Re: Sicko!!

Postby DisciplineHopes » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:46 am

i completely understand, honestly. i think EVERYONE should have some sort of coverage. and really, they do to a certai ndegree. may not be the "same", but they have some. but i just dont agree at all with the way they (part of the government) want it to be. its just not fair and right imo. is it now, maybe not. but in ALOT of cases some of these people have put these things on themselves for mbeing LAZY and so forth. not all cases are like that, but i have personally seen NUMEROUS. they dont want a job, butthey want free helthcare. fine, but get a job too. my gf worked at an eye doctor. people with medicaid would only have to pay 3 for a visit and somehting like 10 for glasses, whcih werent the best glasses but they got some damn it for 10 dollars. i personally would have been paying 150 for those exact glasses. and all you would ever hear is complaints about having to pay that minimal amount for the glasses. why?
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