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the Learning curve

Postby Kensei » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:08 am

I was chatting on line about this one instance while I was growing up that made me think we all learn differently and some dont learn at all. I was a newly minted black belt in Karate and about 20 years old, so along ass time ago! I had been training in Shotokan during the dirty days of hard training, not much "splaining" and lots of hard work. Every day I came home tired and sore from the nights training. We did crazy ass things like 200 front kicks, 200 side thrust kicks, 200 round house kicks....each leg as a warm up! And one drill I loved was the duck and roll under a front kick, then back kick the guy when you get up. It was hard, but it was fun as hell as well. We also had a tone of "visitors" in the Dojo that loved to come in and "show off" till they saw what we were about and how hard core crazy we were. Hell when I got to free style with my instructor it was NHB, I would use Judo and Sambo and he would counter with everything it was fun.
So this one time we had a younger 18 year old Kyokushin kid come in. Kyokushin is a style that mixed Shotokan and Shito ryu and made a very tough sparring style that mostly ignored doing Kata and went right to tough sparring. Problem is that they had alot of sparring and not much more than that. You need more than that to be a good fighter. Those that say fighting is fighting are missing some key elements that basics, drills and Kata offer, like variety.
So, this kid comes in and knows my instructor, apparently he had trained Shotokan for a few years at a Dojo my instructor would go to to test students. Well this kid had a chip on his shoulder a mile wide and you could see he had come to the club to "show us all" that Kyokushin, his new style, was better than the old Shotokan any day. We worked on a drill and did our warm up and Sensei began doing one step with all of us. This kid was trouble from the word go! He was getting real close and punching the chest of whom ever was infront of him. Then he would step back off the attack and nail the other guy he was facing in the lower leg with a low kick. We dont do contact in regular classes, we leave that for senior classes and the guys he was facing were all white to green belt level...so no contact.
He got infront of this one girl, whom I liked at the time and whom I had been seeing, and when she stepped in to punch he nailed her in the chest with a punch and kicked her the next time. His techniques were basically a sweeping style block and then hit the other person with only two techniques, a straight short punch to the chest or a shin kick to the knee/lower leg. That is all he did! So, the girl grimmiced and almost fell off the kick, but like everyone else she took it, and sensei would warm him to not make contact with the lower belts.
He went up in the line and did the same thing to about seven people, including the girl I was seeing, a little old lady, a bunch of younger guys and an older guy with bad joint issues.
At the end of this, and rather frustrated Sensei put this guy against me and walked away.

The first time he hit me with a punch I warned him, the second time I told him to watch it because he was making to much contact. Realize that one step sparring is basically one person executing a nice attack, then allowing the other side to block and counter, we are generally not allowed to beat up on those that are not supposed to defend themselves! that would be mean. So, their I was getting my chest beat up and getting pissed off, so each time I would step in and punch...and he would inevitably look at me with a look that said "now I will show you why Kyokushin is better"....and prove himself an idiot, I would wait for the punch, as it landed I would sweep him. He landed hard four times and got up pissed off. I calmly said that each time he hit me...he would end up on the floor...and he did...seven more times!

So the next exercise was close to the same thing, but we would punch for the chest on our attacks and they would counter with a block and round house kick to the ribs....with little to no contact!.....supposedly. The attacks he threw were horrible and I would block and counter and tap his side then finish with the reverse punch to the face or chest. His turn up he started nailing me in the leg with the round kick and then punch me in the chest. This time I figured putting him on the hard woods with a sweep was not working and my leg was getting sore. SO, each time I would step in he would go to kick and if the leg was not up enough...I kicked him in the nuts! The first time he hit the floor and was pissed, the fourth time he hit the floor and was real mad but cramping up pretty bad and mad. I picked him up and told him that if he insisted on hurting me with leg kicks I would be forced to kick him in the nuts to remind him that this was not full contact Kyokushin, here we come to train for health and self control. If he persisted in showing off and hurting others it would be at his own expence. I thought that this would fix the issue, but this time he was mad and wanted to prove a point.
I stepped in and punched and his wind up was so telegraphed, he wanted to take my knee off and break my leg with his kick! He twisted his body back and started to swing for the fences with the kick that would disect my leg and put me out for years to come....but he was telegraphing way to much and in the split second that I had all I could think was "STUPID"! As his leg came around I switched my legs with a tiny hop and he missed my leg completely, it was like slow motion! He went from "F#*K you" to "OH F#*K" and spun right around! His next sensation way my foot landing right on his balls from behind, he had his legs open and he had tried to hurt me again, I figured he probably expected it because he did the pee pee dance to try and block the kick, but it was way to late for that. I lifted him about three feet in the air, I made sure that the majority of my leg made contact with his butt and not just balls, that would be a sure way to really damage the boy for life!

He hobbled to a chair in the gally for the rest of the class and was red and mad the whole time. After class I changed quick and saw him talking to sensei. I walked over and looked at him and shook my head. He started to say something but I cut him off. I said that I was sorry for hitting him but felt that maybe he needed to be shown a bit of a lesson. We warned him ten times verbally while he was with others, then I warned him another dozen or so times before the kick to the balls match started. I did not feel sorry for him except for his slow learning curve. He needs to realize that when you are in someone elses "house" you play by their rules, you dont like it...dont go to their house!
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Re: the Learning curve

Postby Kensei » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:52 am

I made sure to be clear with the guy, the thing is after four times you would think anyone would get the message! It was not the first time I had issues with studnets from other styles, as a training student or as an instructor. But, his was kind of one that stuck out because of how DUMB he was in the end. Trust me if I got Balled it would only take once for me to get the picutre.

I also have to point out that I do not mind contact in sparring, a good fist to the chops is a great learning exerience, and I ant pretty so no worries about my looks being harmed. But you hit other students in a no contact match up, and basic sparring to boot and you are a coward and get what is coming to you in my club!

Also, I have been spoken to by my instructor about my "over zelous" sparring on occasion, but never to the point of being in trouble. Basically I like to go a bit harder and try things that could hurt me or the opponent in a non controlled setting. In the dojo however a "unique" move is safer to practice So I go for it. However I would never hurt or hit anyone that is not willing to "play" a bit!
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Re: the Learning curve

Postby Kensei » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:11 am

And thats the way it should be. The best sparring matches I have ever had were when I was in top shape and in my 20's and 30's and we went at it till someone was bleeding or we had to leave the floor to go to work! we have a thing called Kangeiko every year, it is wicked early morning training to usher in the new year and we train from 4 am till 6 am and then go to work. One year I stayed after class and did free style Kumite for an hour with another black belt and no one to stop us or make us stick to the "rules" when we got tired we turned to grappling a bit and it was fun as hell. No one was seriously hurt and we had a good time.

But yah, once it gets to serious and looks like a brawl, someone has to step in or step back and yell Yame!
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Re: the Learning curve

Postby DisciplineHopes » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:14 am

just read this kensei. lol its kind of funny really. you get what you give, right?! he was forewarned numerous times and really it shouldnt take but one warning. its a disciplined sport and he apparently didnt have much of it. im sure he had quite the learning experience and day two he would have performed more reserved lol.
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Re: the Learning curve

Postby Kensei » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:03 am

my instructor always left it at "you might think you are the shit, but their is always someone out their that is bigger, stronger, faster and meaner" then he kicked you in the nuts!
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Re: the Learning curve

Postby Kensei » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:24 am

Sensei would kick us in the balls...but lightly, the kind of kick that hurts more mentally, or he would come so close your ass would pucker and you would have a similar reaction to when you get nailed....however he only nailed you full force if you "needed it"
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Re: the Learning curve

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Re: the Learning curve

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the learning curve, ahhhhhhhhhh..................you need to learn to take this hit somewhere else lol! curve THAT!
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Re: the Learning curve

Postby LONNIEmcconne » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:56 am

I would say that learning curve is a bit higher term but no way near the other characters.
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