Re: The Perfect Combo
Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:16 am
Muay Thai is all I need stand up, Judo for inbetween (clinching and TD) and BJJ on ground.
Shadow wrote:Personally, the only time I've heard my style is better, unbeatable and the like is in the movies. I know some cocky guys, but none have gone to that extreme. You can have an ego and still no the shortcomings of your style. I think that thinking is out-dated, not to say that some thinkers or the lack there of, this hold to mine is better than yours. I think most of us hold to some styles are more better than others, however. That should be relatively apparent. One only has to read a few of the threads. I can agree with you on no style is better, and hold the opinion that some styles are better than others, with being hypocritical.
Shadow wrote:Perhaps, heighten mental level was too strong of words, though, I believe they still hold true. The confident fighter, is better of than the egotistical one, typically, right? I just meant better thinking, not guru, enlightening or any thing close, just better.
Shadow wrote:On the luck & training thing, I agree in a sense that training will give them better odds at winning, knowing a win is never gaurinteed. Perhaps, it may be the same thing?
Shadow wrote:On the first UFC fights, I don't think they crowned BJJ the best in the world. I think it undoubtibly raised the ranking of BJJ in the good and bad MA. Furthermore, I don't think, persay, a guy practicing a standing up karate style for 20 years would just say, "My style sucks or their style is better." Most likely, it just helps show what their style was lacking. The next step would be to incorperate it; since, a BBJ practitioner kicked their butt then it safe to say that BJJ would be a candidate to fill the void.
I agree, we agree on most parts, now we are just hasing out the finer points.Shadow wrote:DisciplineHopes - I agree whole heartedly. I believe Kensei and I basically agree with each other, but are debating the small points and specific wording. That is fine and good, if we are not to question wording, how can we hope to understand the thought they represent?
LOL. It is never over until both sides understand the others points and agree to not see each others sides or agree they both agree.Shadow wrote:Kensei - If you feel like it's a dead point, it's okay with me if you want to drop it. However, if you would like to continue that too is totally okay with me.
Shadow wrote:About the egos out there, I believe you 100% that their are MA-ist out there that claim their style is the best. Closest I have experienced is that my style can be this one or that. I suppose that is close enough. It just I haven't personally run into someone, saying my style is the ultimate. Still knowing this, I think that kind of thinking is becoming outdated.
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: "I can agree with this in that they are more open minded and better to judge with out ego and ignorance getting in the way. I think that is kind of what you mean."
Yes, one must be open minded to grasp the simple concept of practioner over style. To go the extra step would be to hold to Bruce's philosophy of "no style" using what works for you from what ever style.
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: "Yes, this is 110% correct. I have seen some weird things were guys that never faught a day in their life KO'd a boxer or Thai boxer in one punch, that is part luck part part shock. But the more training you have, if you have luck on your side you will do well."
Yes, I agree; although, the luck factor is hard to totally grasp. I hear and experience MA-ist say, "unexperience people are hard to fight." This is the case I believe because they are unacustomed to their aqword movements. Beyond that, how does one explain "he was lucky." The word luck seems to carry some mystic connotative bagage with it.
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: "That was my point. They raised the ranking, but they did "crown" it the best by saying they just showed the world that BJJ was the best...their words! I had seen guys in the club give up Karate overnight after watching the first few UFCs. but the business of running a club was very hard and is very hard. We had a influx of students when Chuck Norris was big, when Bruce Lee was big a buddy who taught Kung Fu had a tone of students, Van Damme and ( no lie) The Teen age Ninja turtles brought in a tone of students and Segal pushed Aikido to a new level. I actually saw guys say "yah but on the ground that style is the best, and fights go to the ground 99% of the time". This stat is wrong by the way!"
Perhaps, your right and my opinion of flux is misguided due to my lack of worldly MA contacts. Though, I haven't experienced it, I'm sure it could and has happened as you said, some MA-ist just up and change style just because of a new style leader.
That quote is way, way off. I going to go out on limb here and wager that most of the street fights you see stand up only, with the exception of the guy being knocked down and getting kicked while he's down. In my experience it's 70 - 30. 70% stand up.
(By the way, what is the official stats on stand up and ground fighting, and where would one confirm such information?)
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: "LOL. It is never over until both sides understand the others points and agree to not see each others sides or agree they both agree."
LOL. A die hard 'til the end! Are we there yet?
DisciplineHopes wrote:yes...all of the above is the best option in my opinion. but IF having to choose 3...id say boxing, bjj, and quite possibly TKD. there again you could mix up any three and be pretty kick ass with correct use.
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: "Funny you say that. Last night I taught for my instructor and one of the younger girls came up and said "my cousin is a Kyokushin guy .................
Was the defending student saying your style is better?
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: Again with the Bruce lee stuff! (Not just you) ...........
He may not be the origanator of the thought, but I give him the credit because as far as I know he is and I first learned his way of thought (no style-style or taking what works for you, etc.) after reading his "Way of Tao" (or called something like that). I know he studied philosophy, and like most philosophers they complied ideas from other thinkers, rivals, instructor, who ever. Creation is changing was already is so to speak. It is also like George Washington. He was not the 1st US president, but try telling that to the average Joe who has not researched it...your fighting a loosing battle. It just that ingrained. Enlighten me, who is the origanator of this thought and the Bruce stuff as you put it?
Shadow wrote:Kensei quote: "........
I would think that any stats you get on street fighting would be questionable at best! I dont remember anyone watching me fight at the bars with a clip board taking notes!"
Where else would you get it from other than the streets. We are talking about street fights here, not sparring and/or in class instruction? I just asked because you seemed to disagree with the 99% stat. Where are you getting your information? Me personally I just draw on my own experience, what else is there? I have read that most fights go to the ground, but where does that come from? I certainly do not know.
Shadow wrote:Also, some pointless ones...So, where does that put us. I think we are in the vast majority in agreement, wouldn't you say? This is a debate on small points. How can it be seen any other way. On alot of things we discussed, I didn't change my opinion, it just opened my eyes to see yours, which doesn't take anything away from mine own. I assume much is the same with you.
Shadow wrote:Kensei: What happened to MT? I take it, MT is a side thing with you, and not what you consider your main art?